tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post8764475119503907297..comments2023-09-12T14:01:03.164-07:00Comments on NPL Tasmania: State League????NPL Tasmaniahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13625737921832082534noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-72789775025275101572011-06-18T03:07:26.706-07:002011-06-18T03:07:26.706-07:00if the state league did go ahead, i think it would...if the state league did go ahead, i think it would be great to see something like the bball with a marque player system were each team gets funds to sign a player who will bring great quality to the league and might put some bums on seats i know this wont happen due to lack of support finacially but would be good to see<br />TMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-78232943986061573702011-06-17T19:18:43.662-07:002011-06-17T19:18:43.662-07:00I played in the state league until the last year o...I played in the state league until the last year of its history... It attracted better players to our club and therefor benefited us in getting players, and we were not the best team but we were always up the top, once the state league finished we gradually lost most of our best players and the quality and atmosphere even if we had to travel to hobart most weeks was gone and to be honest the competion in both south and north has dropped a lot!! hopefully if there is any young player out there with enough talent to want be at the top and the think about the players they should bring it back even if they kept all the teams in the north and south and put them in one league Launceston Juventus has lost out due to state league demise and we always wanted it to stayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-23982073595690746972011-06-17T02:30:03.064-07:002011-06-17T02:30:03.064-07:00Adam ,you miss a point .So many people realise it ...Adam ,you miss a point .So many people realise it . Now offer it up. in my opinion.Sit Ouboo Sithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08310426121869722804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-12321494281737239102011-06-16T20:38:49.262-07:002011-06-16T20:38:49.262-07:00I'm a young player and the long and the short ...I'm a young player and the long and the short of it is, I want to play in a state league because its the kind of games you want to play week in week out. The kind of games that are the reason you play in the first place where the match is hotly contested and you need to keep performing each week. Not to just win the game but to keep your spot. If a state league brings the depth to clubs and strong competition I want to play. <br /><br />I don't know a lot about the logistics involved with running a state league,the costs that follow and the hurdles that clubs and FFT face etc. But aren't we looking at the overall improvement of our game???<br /><br />I've only played in the NPL for a season and a half and at the moment some games are challenging but I'm not improving at the rate that I'd want to be and its not because I'm not at training or the coaching isn't adequate because its great and most of the time its intense. However its the games you play on the weekend that you learn and improve from and again if a state league creates rapid improvement thats where I want to beAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-27128767847674565402011-06-15T19:54:12.528-07:002011-06-15T19:54:12.528-07:00The talk about cost is legitimate Anton because in...The talk about cost is legitimate Anton because in the past this has been one of the biggest issues, so much so that FFT have admitted without a major sponsor it won't happen, due primarily to travel costs. You can't not address this issue as it is a major reason why it has failed in the past - 3 times? <br /><br />An 8 team league with 5 from the south, 2 north and 1 from the NW would mean at least 7 trips for the coastal team in a 2 round (14 game) comp. As you'd expect there'd be 3 rounds(21 games) this means possibly 10-11 away games (bus trips)for a coastal team and one less for northern sides. What did Somerset quote for a bus to Hobart? $1200-$1400? Hobart teams on the other hand only need to travel 3-5 times so it's no issue for them.<br /><br />I agree though that we need to look for ways to make it work as well, but we can't ignore historical stumbling blocks.<br /><br />Adam WhitemoreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-64173175959067497042011-06-15T19:33:49.357-07:002011-06-15T19:33:49.357-07:00AB I think the most important thing, is what happe...AB I think the most important thing, is what happens to the NPL when you take say 3 teams out of it, it whithers and dies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-51559350347479075632011-06-15T19:32:37.793-07:002011-06-15T19:32:37.793-07:00I think Adam Whitemores comments are the best summ...I think Adam Whitemores comments are the best summary of it allAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-83667145111069504162011-06-15T19:31:42.236-07:002011-06-15T19:31:42.236-07:00Anon 18.54
Tell you something for nothing. Under...Anon 18.54<br /><br />Tell you something for nothing. Under 18s league these days, is a place for kids who generally will have no extended future in the game. Any decent kid these days will be playing reserves or seniors by the time they are 16.<br /><br />Generally the standard of the under 18s is crap, with most of the kids being of average ability. Sure you have a few good 14 and 15 year olds there treading water waiting for the next step up, however if you are 17 and playing under 18s, your future is limited and the chances are you wont make it to the next level.<br /><br />Launceston Uniteds 18s are the best of an average lot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-26891701744011067642011-06-15T19:13:39.796-07:002011-06-15T19:13:39.796-07:00Maybe we should ponder the following:
For a NPL C...Maybe we should ponder the following:<br /><br />For a NPL Club to enter:<br />Seniors<br />Reserves<br />Under 18's<br />Womens<br /><br />The cost is roughly as follows (paid to FFT)<br /><br />Team Entries - 6K<br />Subs - 7K<br />Refs - 4K<br /><br />So thats 17k to FFT x 9 clubs $153K<br /><br />Playing for $7,825 prize money<br /><br />to insure all NPL players would be $6,120 (roughly)<br /><br />So for FFT to manage the NPL it must cost $140K hmmmmmmmm<br /><br />p.s. Burnie cost are higher due to fines lol (sorry had to add that)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-1869871696946171472011-06-15T18:54:28.732-07:002011-06-15T18:54:28.732-07:00anon 11.29
Dont all NPL (Launceston base) clubs h...anon 11.29<br /><br />Dont all NPL (Launceston base) clubs have self sustaining junior clubs ? <br /><br />And given your thoughts that juniors are the key then Launceston is No 1 as its under 18's are on top !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-60972421560423393612011-06-15T18:51:34.559-07:002011-06-15T18:51:34.559-07:00All the negative talk is about the cost !
If it w...All the negative talk is about the cost !<br /><br />If it was say 5 teams from South that would mean 5 trips to Hobart at current some teams may have to Travel 2-3 times through the Statewide cup anyway. <br /><br />Key is to find out how it can work not work on why it wont work !<br /><br />ABAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-15862876646866163282011-06-15T11:29:51.421-07:002011-06-15T11:29:51.421-07:00Maybe a conference style league mote similar to su...Maybe a conference style league mote similar to super 14 rugby would be a better option. Keep the leagues how they are but also cross over and travel say once a month which would also result in a state league table. Obvious issue is the length of the season it would make<br />I do find it interesting that riverside is never mentioned as a state league team. They along with rangers and laun city have the largest self sustaining junior clubs feeding into the senior sides, not including the coast of courseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-73352602839973678572011-06-15T08:20:29.909-07:002011-06-15T08:20:29.909-07:00I think anon 00:40 is on the right track. This sor...I think anon 00:40 is on the right track. This sort of champions league format keeps our local comp as it is, therefore protecting all north and north-west clubs. We'd also get to play different teams regularly, which I'm sure we'd all enjoy for a change, and it should improve the standard.<br /><br /> A state league sounds fresh and exciting for those to whom it is a new concept, but we have tried this what, 3 times and it's failed so we know there are serious issues that need to be addressed. It is very expensive, and given the likely format would be seniors plus or minus colts only, clubs would need to either find 2 more teams to play in what is left of the NPL (seniors and reserves), or not enter the NPL at all. Given that any colts league would likely allow 3 overage players only, the rest of your overage players may need to play div1. God help them!<br /><br />State league in that format would of course dilute the quality of the league for clubs left behind in the NPL. This isn't such a problem for southern clubs as they have much better depth, and already have a second division. They tend to forget this down south. We really need to protect these clubs as clubs like Ulvie and Somerset who may struggle to get into the state league at the moment (depending on the criteria) produce many of our best young players, and a lot of people have put alot of years into building all of our clubs. <br /><br />The other option is to look at the bigger picture as Nigel and Cocksy have said and make them regional teams, but would clubs be happy to put the good of the game before themselves and give up their players? <br /><br />When George Town were in state league (I know - amazing) the format was only a senior team, which meant games on Saturday and Sunday. From memory club officials (and players) might have gone to go to NW coast Saturday (NPL) and Hobart Sunday (state league)for instance.Or worse, you'd sometimes play on the same day at different venues.Given that most clubs seem to be kept alive by about 5 people this is quite a commitment. <br /><br />As regards to which clubs will go into the proposed state league, Devonport for me are the only definite, the rest of us need to improve either current facilities or improve playing performance.<br /><br />Incidently, what do the players think? Do they want to play state league, train 3 night a week and dedicate themselves to possible midweek games? If they don't we can probably stop the discussion here. No point playing in a state league if the players aren't going to approach it seriously. <br /><br />My personal opinion is we do need to make changes to improve the game and give young players something to aspire to. There are a lot of very talented young players in the NPL,and throughout the state but overall the standard isn't nearly what it should be. Improving things does involve some type of statewide comp, but the format needs to be right.<br /><br />As it stands, without a sponsor a state league won't go ahead anyway, FFT's words. And without a state league, no A-League team, therefore no youth pathway and no improvement in the standard.<br /><br />Oh,and I think Kingborough get free rent from HCC, therefore no need to charge at the gate. The rest of us live in the real world!<br /><br />Adam WhitemoreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-23579386250109862132011-06-15T01:13:46.042-07:002011-06-15T01:13:46.042-07:00Sorry but knights played at the NTCA and the wicke...Sorry but knights played at the NTCA and the wicket was still marked and like concrete, not good and I beleive now it is a mud pit!<br /><br />Not rangers fault but not good enoughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-1668261178643382092011-06-15T00:40:07.953-07:002011-06-15T00:40:07.953-07:00Top three from the north plus top three from the s...Top three from the north plus top three from the south qualify each year for a state league run along side both the npl and spl. Scrap Lakosaljac cup plus the finals series, maybe start a week or so earlier and that will free up approx ten rounds which will be enough for each of those six teams to play each other both home and away. Teams that don't qualify could play in say a div 2 state league on the corresponding weekends. It will have to be seen as the premier competition therefore prizemoney for the sixth place getter would have to be equal to the npl and spl champions. <br />Basically the same as we have now, incentive to finish top three plus more quality games every third week or so.<br />Still think travel arrangements will be a big hurdle and it should be up to fft to somehow reimburse clubs for any expenses. Maybe the gate money pays for the travelling team and home team takes canteen and bar ect with fft paying for the referees instead of the clubs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-16907595042877525372011-06-14T20:54:35.700-07:002011-06-14T20:54:35.700-07:00I play with Somerset and when we played at the NTC...I play with Somerset and when we played at the NTCA earlier in the year it was like playing on carpet, little hard in middle but rest was excellent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-61517921145430832962011-06-14T19:30:21.441-07:002011-06-14T19:30:21.441-07:00Nigel,
Agreed that spectators should pay... but s...Nigel, <br />Agreed that spectators should pay... but surely FFT has to pay for the referees not the players. They are our governing body in charge of referees. No wonder we lose players to AFL. With the rising cost of fuel, to get slugged an extra $6 just to get in to play the game is ridiculous. Even at our home games.<br /><br />CFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-19159441096836686142011-06-14T17:13:49.441-07:002011-06-14T17:13:49.441-07:00State league is the only way forward with quality ...State league is the only way forward with quality players playing each other week in, week out which will develop the game much more then the current arrangement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-64323910703930631372011-06-14T13:50:57.401-07:002011-06-14T13:50:57.401-07:00Apart from having a cricket pitch in the middle NT...Apart from having a cricket pitch in the middle NTCA is a good ground to play on.<br /><br />At least when it does rain they have staff there fulltime to work on the ground with super soakers etc. Ground is not ideal, however is not dangerous, and the game I played there back in April was in excellent condition, middle included.<br /><br />I personally dont see the need for us to move to a state league, what is wrong with the Northern League the way it is. If all you club presidents out there stand firm and say we are not interested in going down this track, then surely nothing can happen.<br /><br />NPL playerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-57024791047965800992011-06-14T06:38:58.679-07:002011-06-14T06:38:58.679-07:00I would love to get a look at Beachsides/Kingborou...I would love to get a look at Beachsides/Kingborough operating costs for the year, do they pay for insurance of their facilities, including volunteer insurance and public liability for $10 mill?<br />Do they pay for the actual lights and towers including blown globes at $300 a hit?<br />Do they pay the power bill for the whole 12 months?<br />Do they pay a ground rental including assisting with council costs for drainage, carparking and area beautification etc?<br />Do they pay for goal posts, coaches boxes and maintain ground fencing?<br />Do they have team bus costs after player payments of $2,000/year?<br />All of the above averages around $16,000/year that's why we charge everyone that we can, no magic sponsors up here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-75508501853369312682011-06-14T05:36:55.157-07:002011-06-14T05:36:55.157-07:00All southern clubs let players and coaches manager...All southern clubs let players and coaches managers etc. in for free. Beachside and Kingborough let everybody in for free, all div one and girls games are free. Players should not be paying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-19603456940019832012011-06-14T04:24:39.024-07:002011-06-14T04:24:39.024-07:00CF, would be good if clubs would agree to let all ...CF, would be good if clubs would agree to let all players on team sheet pass through, but every club would need to sign up and agree to it.Captain Australiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17196907320658974301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-56049300814953360622011-06-14T04:12:48.720-07:002011-06-14T04:12:48.720-07:00Thanks for explaining that the ground is currently...Thanks for explaining that the ground is currently not up to scratch!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-79566387975899749042011-06-14T03:58:48.427-07:002011-06-14T03:58:48.427-07:00How about we fix our own league to start with. The...How about we fix our own league to start with. There is no money in soccer and it will unfort never be able to compete with AFL. AFL Tas subsidise each club for travel and are in a strong position to do so as they have the cash. Plus Soccer Tas isn't financial one bit..<br />We as players have to pay $6 to play each week on top of our rego for the year. What a joke.. Clubs should not be making any money on players from both teams on a weekend. Send a team sheet to the club on a Fri and get players ticked off as they come through like the NTFL do. We as players put the show on. Supporters should still pay of course. <br />Maybe i am wrong, but does every $ from the 6 go to pay the referees?? If so why? It should be performance based what they get paid. Soccer Tas should be paying the referees not the players anyway.<br />Thats what happens with the AFL.<br />I cant think of one NTFL or State Football player that has to pay to get into the ground they play at. What a joke.<br /><br />CFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2680702098928192986.post-499037101273802802011-06-14T03:57:08.845-07:002011-06-14T03:57:08.845-07:00Firstly to the knockers of the NTCA, I would be in...Firstly to the knockers of the NTCA, I would be interested to hear of the last "pitch related" injury as a result of the NTCA surface or cricket pitch. Perhaps a graze or two in the early months, but that’s about it. Now before you lot launch into me for being an ignorant so and so, I am the first to criticize the fact that we have a cricket pitch in the middle of our ground, and I will work as hard as I can to rectify this, no one at the club is happy with a cricket pitch in the middle, and it has long been a topic in the bar after a game after a few beers as to what our options are, for 10 years I have failed to find a viable one, and cant see anything changing in the short term unless I win Tatslotto and donate a major part of that to a new ground. If your being honest though, a cricket pitch is about all that’s wrong with the facility outside of being dated. At the end of the day, we are all amateur clubs and where else to you suggest we play?<br /><br />"So you are saying that NTCA ground is fit for soccer, ground and rooms but not fit to receive cricket matches without massive upgrade ! hmmmm must be a ranger lol" Who ever you are consider the facts that you are talking about! first class cricket matches are not being scheduled compared to amateur football, Moreover there is 4 games of cricket played at the NTCA every weekend of the summer with not a penny spent, and that could continue for another 10 years if necessary. Not a valid argument!<br /><br />I have fast learnt these forums rarely contribute anything other than slander behind anonymity. But I will continue for those that are genuinely interested, because whether you like Rangers or not, without us, or any other current club and then some for this matter, a state league will leave the remaining NPL sides playing each other every second week, so think about what is the best for the game, not what is wrong with it!<br /><br />Now re the NTCA development as I was asked to comment on, - The NTCA will begin the redevelopment "stage 1" as early as late this year, but realistically January/Feb 2012, this will include:<br /><br />• the full removal of the No 2 ground perimeter fence, drainage and earth works to run two full size football pitches running east west either side of the existing wicket block. <br />• 6 light towers including the lights. <br />• Redevelopment of all change rooms and provision of two new ones for shared multi gender participation in one facility.<br /><br />Stage two and three will rely on the federal government communities grant program, but LCC have a very promising portfolio to present to Canberra and should be successful, If this goes ahead, the NTCA will be a fantastic facility, reserved for grass roots sport, thats not to say there will be no pursuit of first class cricket, but it’s unlikely, and a new drop in pitch at York Park will probably take care of this.. This means the benefits will remain with the users and their competitors, rather than being tied up for the most of the year like york park, which is a fine facility, but spends some 300 days a year not doing anything other than letting the precious grass grow and costs rate and tax payers an astronomical amount for the sole benefit of watching aussie rules. So the NTCA facility will have far reaching benefits not only for Rangers, but for Launceston and South Launceston Cricket Clubs and the Old Scotch Football Club.<br /><br />This facility will be well and truly capable of hosting possible Tasmanian State League Matches in 2013. You may now begin taring strips from me for having a point of view that doesn’t reflect that of the majority of the remaining 8 NPL Teams.Captain Australiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17196907320658974301noreply@blogger.com